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Chinese Submarine was not the first on US coast

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Sneaking subs into waters off the west coast — its happened before

By Wayne Madsen

The firing of a submarine-launched ballistic missile by a Chinese Jin-class submarine off the coast of southern California last Monday at the height of evening rush hour in Los Angeles was not the first time the U.S. Navy's anti-submarine warfare sensors in the Pacific have failed.

In 1981, a Soviet Victor-class nuclear submarine successfully evaded the Navy's Sound Surveillance System (SOSUS) network of underwater hydrophones, Towed Array Sensor System (TASS) ships, and P-3  sonobuoy-equipped aircraft and popped up off the Oregon coast alongside a Soviet fishing fishing trawler.

While serving as the Operations Officer at the Navy's SOSUS station at Coos Head, Oregon, this editor received a phone call from the Coast Guard station in Brookings, Oregon reporting that some local fishermen sighted a Soviet submarine alongside a fishing trawler flying the Soviet flag some 30 miles off Brookings.

The incident resulted in the sending of a "Bravo" visual sighting on a Navy-Wide Formatted Message Reporting System (RAINFORM) message to the Commander Oceanographic System Pacific (COMOCEANSYSPAC) in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. Since the clear majority of Soviet submarine contact reports were SOSUS RED messages, meaning they submarine had been detected by the SOSUS acoustic arrays, the sending of a BRAVO visual sighting message to the Navy's top commands in Pearl Harbor created a political storm.

The Navy's higher-ups immediately began to question the veracity of the Oregon fishermen and the Coast Guard in an effort to limit the damage. The reaction by the Navy was similar to the cover story now being issued by the Pentagon that the missile plume witnessed some 35 miles off the California coast was actually from a US Airways flight from Honolulu to Phoenix, a model rocket, or an optical illusion.

In 1981, a Victor-III Soviet nuclear attack submarine, armed with torpedos and anti-ship missiles, popped up previously undetected some 30 miles off the Oregon coast. The submarine had undergone significant noise-reduction modifications, with its turbine and propeller cavitation being quieted to avoid detection by U.S. Navy acoustic sensors in the Pacific. The Navy, embarrassed, covered up the incident.

The Navy, clearly embarrassed over the undetected presence of a Chinese Jin-class SSBN submarine off the coast of Los Angeles, is, some 40 years after the Victor-III incident, continuing its age-old tradition of covering up when it screws up. Aiding and abetting the Pentagon are a group of recently-minted "experts" from NASA, the Discovery Channel Rupert Murdoch's array of claptrap publications, Pentagon-funded web sites and think tanks, and other "usual suspects" in the conspiracy theory proffering business.

The Pentagon, shown to have wasted billions of dollars on a useless ballistic missile defense system, is working overtime with the media and on the Internet to cover up the latest debacle. However, even some reporters who cover the Pentagon full-time are beginning to question the Pentagon's version of events last Monday night over the skies west of Los Angeles.

Wayne Madsen is a Washington, DC-based investigative journalist, author and syndicated columnist. He has written

for several renowned papers and blogs.

Madsen is a regular contributor on Russia Today. He has been a frequent political and national security commentator on Fox News and has also appeared on ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, CNN, BBC, Al Jazeera, and MS-NBC. Madsen has taken on Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity on their television shows.  He has been invited to testifty as a witness before the US House of Representatives, the UN Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, and an terrorism investigation panel of the French government.

As a U.S. Naval Officer, he managed one of the first computer security programs for the U.S. Navy. He subsequently worked for the National Security Agency, the Naval Data Automation Command, Department of State, RCA Corporation, and Computer Sciences Corporation.

Madsen is a member of the Society of Professional Journalists (SPJ), Association for Intelligence Officers (AFIO), and the National Press Club. He is a regular contributor to Opinion Maker.

Please also read China Overtakes American Supremacy.


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  1. What is the real issue here?  I am sure we have our ships along foreign coasts all the time.  The rift between China & the U.S. is only going to become worse as the currency crisis continues.

    • jeff lamon says:

      What is the real issue here? Are you kidding me? We might have US subs off the coast of other countrys but we are not firing missles. This is, in my opinion, is just short of an act of war! Do you think if the US fired a missle so close to Russia or China's coast they would say, "What is the real issue here?" China just tested us, and our wonderful government is so weak due to our inept leadership, we failed. May God help us!

  2. The issue is that this was a "shot across the bow". It was intended as a warning that;  "We now have the tecnology to defeat your early warning systems and close to any firing position we choose at will, and fire if we have to". In other words, your strategic advantage is now toast.

    • chinese and russian subs are welcome anytime on US seas. . . come to think of if any of those sub fired missiles and targeted on a us soil, china and russia  better pray hard for they are very toasted. . .show of power is nonsense to the US navy fleets scattered and lurking every continent. . .why would they acknowledge if chinse or russian subs are in US waters. . .better yet the other way around. . .they've detected those subs at the first place,  and they navy fleets just let them swim by and meet free willy. . .if they'd become a rude guest, guess what, they'd be another tin can at the bottom of the ocean. . .

  3. True but have we ever gone into someones coast and then lobbed a missle backwards into the sea? The reason I believe this story is because the MSM is telling us we dare not believe it. Thus I do believe it is true. Sure they could hit us from far away, "IF" they wanted to attack us. This was just a warning of sorts, to say see? We slipped under your radar and then lobbed a missle back into the pacific to show you we could do it. Jut like in 1981 with the Russian Sub, It was just to prove and to show us it could be done. Of course the Pentagram is saying they know nothing, its because they dare not admit it. For then it would like admiting All sheilds down scotty. The thing is the Pentagram and Norad and the whole shootin match probably didnt know who it was till after the missle was shot.  its no plane my friends many people with military backgrounds with missles say it is a missle. China busted our radar plain and simple thats the answer.

  4. No way that's a jet contrail…ICBM class sent as a warning shot from China.  We want our $1.2T in dollars exchanged for gold…now.  Warm-up for WWIII….get ready for it folks.  The sleeping giant has awoken. 

  5. Hogwash. China couldn't survive with out the United States. We're the only country in the world willing to pay billions of dollars for their poorly made crap. Without us, they're economy would fall apart. That's why they put so much into financial system. They depend on us more than we do them. Look at the facts. They wouldn't fire a missile next to our coast. That's a completely ridiculous argument. No how, no way. They'd already be toast.

  6. Hogwash. China couldn't survive with out the United States. We're the only country in the world willing to pay billions of dollars for their poorly made crap. Without us, their economy would fall apart. That's why they put so much into our financial system. They depend on us more than we do them. Look at the facts. They wouldn't fire a missile next to our coast. That's a completely ridiculous argument. No how, no way. They'd already be toast.

    • Bob the Aussie says:

      You have to be kidding China is the factory of the world & also controls one of the world's most precious minerals. Travel to any country in the world & you see Chinese made products the quality of their electronics is getting better. Give it a few years & they will make first rate cars like Korea now does. Be honest you are paying for their products with an over valued dollar which could collapse in a few years. The British pound was the No.1 currency until the US $ took over this will probably change in the near future?

      • Korea makes world class cars?? I happen to know for a fact that Korean cars are GARBAGE! get real.

        • Bob the Aussie says:

          O.K genius state your FACTS how are they junk? Korean cars are sold world wide, in addition Korea is a major producer of quality electronics, shipping etc. Many major vehicle makers including GM re-badge Korean made cars. You sound like one of those people who said in the 1940's that Japanese can't make planes and their solidiers are "near sighted". The day will come when both China & India will make world class cars too! The ability to make cars etc. isn' t genetic it's intelligence & both Chinese/ Indian & Koreas students shine in Western Universities.

  7. It's definitely a missile.

  8. Great, with this crap is starting-up we have a whimp-ass in the White House.  They wanted this warning shot to be seen…didn't launch at night, but when the sun was just starting to set for maximum effect and they leave under cover of night fall.  You must be right dude, it was just a 767 contrail…go back to sleep, everything is fine. Pay no attention to that missile behind the curtain.  Also pay no attention to the EMP attack against the Carnival Splendor…must have just been caused by swamp gas.  Ignorance is bliss…just give me my football, beer and any other crap to keep my mind focused on the things in life that really matter.  Missile, shmissile…China does make crappy products…and we keep buying that same crap.  WELCOME TO WAL-MART and ultimate bliss!!!!     

  9. What's fascinating to me (symbolically speaking) is the video clip showing the billowing contrail infused with the color of the setting sun – hence Red China's rise in the dusk and twilight of America's demise.
    Woe to America!  The mystery babylon(don) has fallen.  And analogous to the Titanic: She's sinking!   

  10. When is the last time you've seen a jet create a contrail at sea level or 5,000 ft.   It doesn't happen…don't listen to the disinformation agents out there saying its an optical illusion and the jet is actually getting closer to the camera…yea, and pull this leg and it plays jingle bells.  That's a frigg'in ICBM class missile.  90% its China, 10% its Russia.    

    • I have seen them rise from the horizon. The man who filmed it said he did for 10 minutes. ICBM's don't travel that slow maaannnn.

      • See what you want to see.

        Just because the contrail is still visible doesn’t mean the missile is still there. Secondly, the missile is traveling away, and up into the horizon, and therefore even at 12k mph, the contrail is going to be visible for a very long distance.

        At ICBM altitude (+500 miles) an object is in line of sight for thousands of miles. If the object traverses beyond the horizon in ten minutes at that altitude, it would positively be traveling in excess of 12,000 mph. Clearly this would be an ICBM and nothing else.

        • Ok folks, how about someone get a video of the space shuttle launch, compare that launch with the trail left by the ICBM shot off LA. Bet you will see similarities in the contrails, as well as similarities in the speed of accent, at distances speed apears to slow. Ever watch a Indy Race? Do the cars really look like they are doing nearly 200 miles per hour? Think Logically folks, or at least for God's sake start thinking at all.

  11. NotoriousJP says:

    That had to be a missle. I live in New York and jets are overhead all of the time. Many of them spew out chemtrails, but most are from the 3 airports in the area. It ws too massive to be either a contrail or chemtrail.  My opinion is that it was a missle. A Chinese missle most likely. The surfacing of the sub and this missle is China's way of saying." You are in our backyard, so we will play in yours." They are trying to make a point.

  12. righteousjudge says:

    I think someone is helping the leading to change attention to something else and someone else who is pity like poor China which is blamed all the time for no reason.  I think it is not right to blame other people to resolve problems of our own.  It is apparently self-firing! Poor China has no power to do this!

  13.  
    by George Freund
    11-13-2010

    "Finally there is something that has occurred, in which I am actually an expert and qualified to give a real answer about. I am a retired U.S. Navy FireControl Technician, who is platform certified in the gun and missile systems on board Adams class guided missile destroyers, I have also worked with the Navy's Harpoon, Tomahawk and ASROC missile systems. (FireControl Techs operate, maintain and repair the computer, radar and periphial systems used to launch and guide the various naval weapon systems, we are the guys who "PUSH THE BUTTON").
     
    Anyway, what I saw in the recent video concerning the object 30 miles off the coast of CA. Is blatantly a foreign made, Large Cruise or ICBM missile, being launched by a sub-surface aquatic platform.
     
    First, I know it's a large missile because it did not exhibit the typical "corkscrewing" trajectory of a beam riding missile as it trys to aquire the targeting beam. This tells me its a Big Boy with a complete guidence system installed in it, what is nicknamed a "fire and forget" missile, as once its launched its internal guidance system takes over and there is no real need for external guidance.
     
    Second, I'm fairly confident it's not one of ours, as the vapor trail appears "dirty" it looks brownish.
     
    I have personally been involved in (5) SM2 missile launches, and (2) ASROC missile launches, and have been on safety observation for at least 15 more launches of Harpoons, Tomahawks and other missiles. We put alot of sweat and money into our "birds" and part of that is the fuel cells, they burn very clean, a whitish-blue infact, not a dirty blackish brown. That missile had rather crude fuel cells, which tells me its not one of ours.
     
    I bet the brass in Washington is freaked out big time, because of what I know of our "defenses" they should really have had a pretty good idea this thing was sitting there, and they should have been watching it, not only that the moment it broke the surface of the water and ignited our early warning dopplar should have picked it up, and relayed the info to NORAD, and the CAP units flying patrol over the country… Any high ranking expert who believes this is a condensation trail off of a commercial airliner is lying or stupid. I hope you hear from other Fire Control Techs who saw the same thing I did."

     

  14. Tell me about the next night, Tuesday the 9th…

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    U.S. 'Notice to Mariners' Report May Explain Mystery Missile Launch Posted by Lori Price, http://www.legitgov.org 11 Nov 2010 A 'Notice to Mariners' report entry may explain the missile launch earlier this week from Southern California waters near Catalina Island. Page 55 of the current 'Notice to Mariners' report, dated 6 November 2010, notes upcoming firing operations in that area. The report is published weekly by the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency and prepared jointly with the National Ocean Service and U.S. Coast Guard.
    NOTICE TO MARNERS
    No. 45
    06 NOVEMBER 2010
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
    Published Weekly by the
    National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
    Prepared Jointly with the
    National Ocean Service and U.S. Coast Guard

     
     
    SECTION III NM 45/10
     
    NAVAREA XII
     
    The summary of all NAVAREA XII messages in force as of 17 December 2009 is given in Section III of NM 52/09.
    Warnings issued during the subsequent quarters are issued in NM 13/10, 26/10 and 39/10.
     
    NAVAREA XII WARNINGS issued from 211100Z to 281230Z October 2010.
     
    430/10(19).
    NORTH PACIFIC.
    HAWAII.
    ORDNANCE.
    1. UNDERWATER ORDNANCE DETONATIONS IN PROGRESS
    UNTIL 281159Z OCT IN AREAS BOUND BY:
    A. 22-05N 162-00W, 22-05N 165-00W,
    21-55N 170-01W, 21-20N 170-00W,
    21-29N 164-59W, 21-29N 162-00W.
    B. 20-58N 162-00W, 20-56N 164-58W,
    20-48N 170-00W, 20-14N 169-58W,
    20-22N 164-57W, 20-25N 162-00W.
    2. CANCEL THIS MSG 281259Z OCT.
    (221414Z OCT 2010)
    431/10(GEN).
    1. NAVAREA XII MESSAGES IN FORCE 230900Z OCT 10. ONLY THOSE
    MESSAGES ISSUED DURING THE LAST SIX WEEKS ARE LISTED HEREIN.
    2010 SERIES: 403(19), 424(18), 427(18), 430(19).
    2. THE SUMMARY OF ALL NAVAREA XII MESSAGES IN FORCE AS OF
    17 DEC 09 IS GIVEN IN SEC III OF NM 52/09. WARNINGS
    ISSUED DURING THE SUBSEQUENT QUARTERS ARE SUMMARIZED
    IN NM 13/10, 26/10 AND 39/10.
    3. CANCEL NAVAREA XII 426/10.
    (230926Z OCT 2010)
    432/10. CANCELED.
    433/10(19).
    NORTH PACIFIC.
    HAWAII.
    MISSILES.
    1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS 290130Z TO 290700Z OCT,
    ALTERNATE 300200Z TO 300730Z AND
    310230Z TO 310800Z OCT
    IN AREA BOUND BY
    22-00N 159-46W, 22-07N 160-25W,
    23-07N 161-49W, 24-25N 162-27W,
    29-56N 170-20W, 32-47N 169-47W,
    35-34N 164-15W, 36-03N 162-31W,
    31-30N 161-28W, 27-00N 162-00W,
    24-11N 160-10W, 22-39N 159-36W,
    22-10N 159-44W.
    2. CANCEL THIS MSG 310900Z OCT.
    (240828Z OCT 2010)
    434/10(18).
    EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
    CALIFORNIA.
    MISSILES.
    1. INTERMITTENT MISSILE FIRING OPERATIONS 0001Z TO 2359Z
    DAILY MONDAY THRU SUNDAY IN THE NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER
    SEA RANGE. THE MAJORITY OF MISSILE FIRINGS TAKE PLACE
    1400Z TO 2359Z AND 0001Z TO 0200Z DAILY MONDAY THRU FRIDAY
    IN AREA BOUND BY
    34-02N 119-04W, 33-52N 119-06W, 33-29N 118-37W,
    33-20N 118-37W, 32-11N 120-16W, 31-54N 121-35W,
    35-09N 123-39W, 35-29N 123-00W, 35-57N 121-32W,
    34-04N 119-04W.
    2. VESSELS MAY BE REQUESTED TO ALTER COURSE WITHIN THE ABOVE
    AREA DUE TO FIRING OPERATIONS AND ARE REQUESTED TO CONTACT
    PLEAD CONTROL ON 5081.5 MHZ (5080 KHZ) OR 3238.5 KHZ (3237 KHZ)
    SECONDARY OR 156.8 MHZ (CH 16) OR 127.55 MHZ BEFORE ENTERING
    THE ABOVE BOUNDARIES AND MAINTAIN CONTINUOUS GUARD WHILE
    WITHIN THE RANGE.
    3. VESSELS INBOUND AND OUTBOUND FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA PORTS
    WILL CREATE THE LEAST INTERFERENCE TO FIRING OPERATIONS
    DURING THE SPECIFIC PERIODS, AS WELL AS ENHANCE THE VESSEL'S
     
     
    III-1.7
     

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  16. Sean Hanrahan says:

    The left's mantra has always been
     to reduce military spending and make us less of a super power.  Well, now we see what happens when we become weaker and lose our advantage.  Democrat=Dumb.

    • Michael Price says:

      No, Sean Hanrahan, what we see is that billions of dollars spent don't actually protect you,  what like they didn't protect you on 9/11.  Obama hasn't cut defense spending significantly even though there are billions of easy savings that would not affect actual security at all.    Bush increased non-war defense spending and guess what?  He couldn't buy the ability to actually detect nuclear subs.  Yet again government is useless and the military especially so.

  17. clayton jones says:

    Type your comment here…It was not a chinese submarine firing a missile, however it was a missile fired from a submarine and me thinks it was a Iranian submarine firing a missile as a clear message to back off from attacking Iran for the  Israelis.  Iran it was all the way….

  18. WHAT'S REALLY GOING TO EMP YOUR BRAIN IS… THAT WAS NOT A CHINA JIN CLASS SUB WITH ELECTRIC PULSE ENGINES… BUT IT WAS THE ONE AND ONLY NORTH KOREA WITH SOMETHING THAT TESLER INVENTED FOR AN ENGINE USING PLASMA ELECTRIC ENERGY THAT IS CREATED FROM THE SALT IN THE SEA… NOW DO YOU SEE?
    May peace be with us all… the greatest treasure in the quantum string universe:)
    O!… that MR X… What a REAL STINKER;)
    Wait till they see our TR-3B'S and C's
    Mr X

    • Your basis and expertise in "scientific" matters would be a bit more credible if you could at least spell Tesla correctly. 

  19. All that "High-Tech Security Hardware" reminds me of the French relying upon their "invincible" Maginot Line in WWII.  AND, don't forget that all that stuff FAILED utterly and during 9-11 with the military's Pentagon Home Base being hit even with 4 hours warning. 
    Talk about a zillion dollar boondoggle — only idiots believe that all that stuff will work when needed.  If a couple of third world cave dwellers can defeat it what do you think will happend if it ever faces a REAL enemy???!
    Oh I know — the REAL answer is more body scans of Americans at airports — Geez; where do these idiots come from???
     

    •  

      O Well!… maybe the our "High-Tech Security Hardware" FAILED because it was shut down and was part of a bigger plan "A NEW WORLD ORDER"… maybe mishap's happen for a reason sometimes? ithink this guy called Alex Jones (www.infowars.com) mite know something… after all he works for the CIA:)
      Mr X

  20. While I wasn’t a submarine or surface fire controlman I was a submarine sonarman. I was in during the days of the real “cold war” fought under the water not by some politician’s rhetoric on tv, tv, what tv when you under the water, huh??? The point is that on numerous occasions right off the east coast I’d see (that’s how you find subs by using the half a billion dollar sonar system, can’t hear a sub unless your way to close and personal!!!) what looked like a Russian boat, and if the captain decided that the crew needed some good training he’d play, but eventually give up, go back to our box, and never send a message back to SUBLANT. Normally the skipper’s reaction would be that “we have no intel about Soviet boats operating here” and leave it at that. The other thing was that you could also pick British and French boats, I always thought of it as Ivan doing a “Westpac” just like I’d go on a “northern” run. The only time it ever became apparent to the general public was when a politicians/”military industrial complex needed to prod the sheeple.
    STSC/SS ret.
     
    DBF

  21. The usa owes THE WORLD trillions, pays its bills with false money, and has killed a million people in iraq in an invasion that was totally unjustifed. the people of the usa should prepare for shutdown, either through bankruptcy or EMP attack.

    its too late to change direction now. the western world has been hijacked by dark forces and is taking everyone down with them.

    if you arent able to think for yourselves and retain a spiritual and ethical standard, then you have to accept the consequences.

    next time its for real guys, please look after yourselve.

  22. Damn Chinese.  I hope they are looking for a fight.  Last time we went at it was back in the 50s.  OK China man let's see what you got.  We are ready to dance again.  We can go nuke if we have to and smoke your ass.  Unfortunately General Macarther is no longer with us.  So we'll need a new man to roll our forces into China to teach you boys bout democracy.

  23. The one thing that most people miss, is the assumption that our respective governments actually run things. The fringe element exists in every country, behind the scenes, manipulating this and that, sometimes with the knowledge of those in power and sometimes, not. If the civilian government should run astray, will the military take over, and look at the gang of 5, with Bush and Cheney. So with all Nations, we depend on the saneness of those who actually pull the strings.

  24. WilliamWallace says:

    Whoever sent the missle was sending a message to us: "Don't mess with me, because I can strike back".  I don't think China or Russia need to send that message, but either Iran or North Korea might want to.  The only reason to send that message is to avoid a war that the USA might start.

  25. Let's see if we can put 2 and 2 together here.  BO leaves the country at a time when the economy is collapsing, China fires a warning shot and  TSA airport body scanners go on full, wartime alert, even to the degree that it alarms sleeping Americans.  Hmmm…you don't suppose we are going to war,(the real thing that is) and our government and media are just keeping us in the dark do you?

  26. Two things this article didn't really touch on…. 1. Right around the same time that this missle was spotted of the U.S. coast, the U.S. had a fleet of warships and subs in the Pacific conducting random drills. Out of the blue, a Chinese submarine popped up out of the water RIGHT NEXT  to one of the U.S. carriers – AND THEY NEVER DETECTED IT WAS THERE! Obviously, the Chinese are a lot more advanced in either their technology or cunning than the U.S. gave them credit for. 2. Days after the West Coast missle sighting, another unusual sighting occured off the East Coast, by New York or New Jersey. It was covered briefly on the internet, and then all evidence of it dropped away. I happened to see a photo of the East Coast object, and I'm personally not convinced that one was a missle – but having MANY contacts in the military, I am 100% sure the West Coast object WAS a missle. Plus, other Asian countries, including our 'allies' Japan – admit that it was a Chinese missle of the U.S. coast.

  27. Idiots are so busy attempting to turn the U.S. into a globalist police state, they're going allow our true communist enemies to take us down!  Maybe on purpose.

  28. Obviously, this was a US missile launched as a warning to a China that refuses to bow to US monetary diktats. The previous news about a Chinese sub surfacing in the midst of US Navy ships was fabricated as a ploy to make this supposedly hostile missile launch look more plausible.

  29. Many of you need clarity on chinese products. It is not cheap chinese products, it is cheap thieving American companies having their toxic products made with slave labor in China. It wasn't good enough that an American would work until they dropped over dead for 9 or 10 an hour, oh no. If it is made in China, I don't buy it, period. As far as the missile, look around you, your whole country has been invaded, our government has looted everything and you guys are worried about a sub, look around you, thats the least of your worries.

  30. ob the Aussie, good point mate…Japan made crap-cars in the 1950's now look at Toyota / Lexus…the best quality autos in the world.  China is going in that direction…we ( the US) must stop buying their products and funding their industrial growth.  The US has shifted most of its industrial base over seas.  WTF!  We can't remain a the world super power with a service only economy…currently 70% service / 30% manufacturing.  At this rate, the US military will be buying tanks, guns an ammo from China in 20 years.  Stop shopping at Wal-Mart…wake-up.  I'll pay 4x more for a US made product…stop buying the cheap crap and stop the ignorance…it is not bliss.  GM failed because they had lost the quality edge, high priced Union labor who didn't give an fuck and made six figure salaries putting parts on cars…give me a break.  Those Union line workers should take they HS diplomas and see about getting a job that pays that much in the real (non-Union) world…those fat, unskilled slobs should be happy with $15.00 an hour.  Any industry with Unions is fucked today…auto, airlines and the list goes on.         

  31. Rod Anderson says:

    I just want to know where the missle landed.

  32. What did you expect after years of letting the Chinese steal our military secrets or in fact have them given to them by the Clintonista's.This country continues on it's race to the bottom.

  33. To be honest I would much rather have Kobe Bryant as President than Obonehead. 
    If Kobe Bryant was President China would be at our mercy.  He is literally perceived as a God there.

  34. mike schuh says:

    If you thnk there is going to be a Peril Harbor,think again.There will be no country left to build a war machine to retalliate.That tells me that what actually happened to the south korea ship may be of outside influences.

  35. dadylongstroke says:

    that was no missle .. it was punkin chunkin

  36. That is alright their Intellegence agents are here in the US via Communist SOE's and we are allowing more in.
     http://rideriantieconomicwarfare.blogspot.com/

  37. Abaddon says:

    The US is fooling itself if they think that the Chinese as well as other entities are not working overtime to become militarily superior to us! They are because they are planning for the day when military confrontation and war with the US becomes a reality! In their minds war with us is inevitable, whether over oil, Taiwan, currency or any of a number of scenarios which will put us at odds with them? The powers that be need to wake up and realize that China and our other detractors don't give a d*mn about budgets or political issues and weakening our ability to defend ourselves is just paving the road for them……..

  38. Any proof to back up that bold statement?

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  7. World Spinner - Chinese Submarine was not the first on US coast | Opinion Maker... Here at World Spinner we are debating the same …
  8. ~ The GUNNY "G" BLOG & E-MAIL ~ - [...] China Sub Not First Off CA Coast [...]
  9. Steve Quayle’s World: It’s a Blast! | The Ruthless Truth blog - [...] Chinese Submarine Was Not The First on US Coast [...]
  10. 11/8/10 – 11/18/10 « Jack’s Musings – It ain’t easy being me - [...] how about this. Looks like that may have been a Chinese submarine that fired that missile off the cost …
  11. Is China Challenging American Military Power? | The NeoConservative Christian Right - [...] ·       Chinese Submarine was not the first on US coast [...]
  12. Here is the full statement made by Jim Cash, Brig. General, USAF, Ret., who was assigned to NORAD, as a Command Director initially and later as the assistant Director of Operations for NORAD. : State of the Nation - [...] of the other websites reporting on this appear to have been blocked, notably that of Opinion Maker. I was able …
  13. Retired Chinese General: China Could Be Planning Surprise Missile Attack on United States « MidnightWatcher's Blogspot - [...] Flashback: Chinese Submarine was not the first on US coast – “The firing of a submarine-launched ballistic missile by a …

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